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seawasp ([personal profile] seawasp) wrote2009-12-03 11:11 am

Science Questions: Fire and Ice

A couple of idle questions which involve science I don't know much about... at least not at this level.

1) In many a disaster scenario (most recently seen in Sluggy Freelance), some super-technology device, such as a mega-drill, frickin' superlaser, etc., bores a hole from the surface down to some ridiculous depth in very short time, and this usually is shown as causing some sort of catastrophe like a sudden volcano. I'm wondering if there would, in fact, actually BE any significant consequences from such an event, assuming it didn't occur right on top of a volcano that already exists and is about to blow. Say, here, in the heart of New York State, if I were to just magically bore a hole straight to the earth's core in a matter of a second, would there be a catastrophe, a small eruption, or nothing at all except a big hole that closed itself up to (some depth)?

2) Another common scenario in some SF has been either a base on a world like Pluto, or an earthlike world cast out into the void, where something happens and the whole base/planet cools to interstellar void temperatures. My question is if -- assuming you DON'T have any macroscopic reasons to be able to tell (if there were any biologicals present, they were already long dead, maybe mummified so there's hardly any water left in them, etc. -- you could tell that they had been, in fact, in a -200 deep freeze before they thawed out. That is, you step out into, say, a bunch of dirt and examine it. Can you tell that it was once subjected to -200 degree temperatures for a long period of time -- and could you tell this a year after it thawed, a hundred years, a thousand? Assume no biological activity to mess up your analysis (i.e., if it's been thawed for ten thousand years, there still haven't been any bacteria, etc., to start decay or other stuff going.)

[identity profile] baronger.livejournal.com 2009-12-05 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
Had an idea.

Think thermal mass, or better yet a baked Alaska.

If the planet had only recently been back to a normal temperature. The deep rocks should still be icy cold. Also if it was only a quick trip (relatively) you should have a strange phenomenon of warm icy cool, as the deep rocks wouldn't have chilled down toward absolute zero yet.

[identity profile] keithmm.livejournal.com 2009-12-06 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm an idiot. I live in a part of the world that's an example.

If the place had only recently been dethawed, you're going to have massive permafrost. The devil is in the details regarding the dethawing, but if you assume a planet was (captured? placed into?) in an Earthlike orbit, you are going to have permafrost way south of where you'd expect climatologically, and the permafrost in polar regions would be much deeper than what it should be.

And the thawing of permafrost is going to have geologically observable effects, especially where it contains a lot of water ice.