What's WRONG with Obama????

[seawasp]

He's issued executive orders eliminating torture by our forces. He's forcing us to actually list out who's imprisoned and for what. He's removing restrictions on various federally-funded agencies with respect to abortion, etc.

HE'S KEEPING CAMPAIGN PROMISES! HE'S PENETRATING THE BUREAUCRACY!

Here is a man who CLEARLY doesn't understand what the job of President means.

Oh, well, maybe he can fail to repeal PATRIOT and then start legislating in some severely restrictive social programs or something to make up for this rocky start.

Comments

[randallsquared.livejournal.com]

Well, Obama voted *for* PATRIOT, if I remember correctly, so I don't expect him to want to repeal it.

Sorry to kill your buzz. :)

[seawasp]

Plenty of people voted for it in the heady days of yore who might rethink it now.

We shall see.

[anton-p-nym.livejournal.com]

Not that I can find... though that's the 2001 vote, when Illinois was represented by Durbin(D) and Fitzgerald(R). (They both voted "yea", FWIW.)

-- Steve's brain parses "if I remember correctly" as "Google this".

[cerebresque.livejournal.com]

Well, competence is a terrible thing in an opponent.

(Not that he's actually done stuff I oppose yet, but I'm confident he'll get to that part before long.)

[randallsquared.livejournal.com]

The missing part in what I remembered was that this was the reauthorization, rather than the original PATRIOT Act vote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama#USA_PATRIOT_Act

[k-kinnison.livejournal.com]

Maybe it is because for the first time in 8 Years we have a president who is more concerned about doing the right thing, then Ideology, or their image.

[seawasp]

Well, I think Bush thought he WAS doing the right thing; that is, I sincerely believe that many of his actions (that I find detestable) came from a firm belief that what he was doing was right. It's just that most of us did not agree with his view of right thing.

So it's not so much "concerned with doing the right thing" as "having the right idea in the first place".

[laptop-mechanic.livejournal.com]

It certainly seems he's off to a good start. We'll see if he can keep it up. And if he's going to have to keep promises made to the lunatic fringe of his own party. What we don't need now is a totally NEW set of lunatics in to run the asylum.

Cross your fingers, y'all. And your toes, and your eyes if you can.

[k-kinnison.livejournal.com]

I would have to agree on your last statement. Often Right, wrong, good or evil are more based on personal perception and beliefs then anything else. But when you ignore any types of facts or reason and decided to rely on assumptions and gut feelings you tend to be wrong more often then right.

Invading a country with the idea of finding WMD, after the IAEA, and several government intelligence agencies said there were none would be top of the list of actions taken more on belief then fact

[anton-p-nym.livejournal.com]

Ugh, yeah, I forgot there was a sequel to that horror show.

-- Steve hates fear-driven politics.

OMG..your right!!

[ancientone.livejournal.com]

what on earth does he think he's doing???
maybe there's still hope. you know, lie, break a promise, raise taxes, spit on the poor, trip the lame...LOL

[qinshihuangdi.livejournal.com]

I am of the philosophical perspective that right and wrong are absolute.

I do agree that evaluations can be very subjective.

Where human systems are concerned, there can be a great deal of difficulty conclusivly showing to all concerned that a single set of facts is in fact the true set. This is especially the case for complicated issues where reaching agreement would first require something like a common understanding of the nature of man.

For an example I will mention your statement about Iraq. I agree that it was invaded, but I disagree with the rest of the statement, comepletly or partly.

I took a sampling of the agenda at whitehouse dot gov. At the time I did my reading there was a statement in the energy policy section about efficiency, which is something that it is in theory hard enough to arrive at a common set of facts for, and something whose truth I have the background to evaluate.

Earlier, I'd made an agreement with myself that if Obama won, I would not make an ass of myself bitching, and would simply try and enjoy the ride. I do not know if I have violated the former here or elsewhere.

Currently, I consider myself as having inadequate data to make a proper evaluation. For all I know, the agenda may have been put together by some fresh out of liberal arts school staffers over the campaign, and subject to later review and modification.

Is the first 'k' for Kimball?

[qinshihuangdi.livejournal.com]

Does enviromental policy count as a restrictive social policy from your perspective? The funny thing is that I am a literalist, and find it interesting to ignore the sarcasm and the last sentence, and read the rest literally. I know some of your politics, so I understand which meaning is intended. Still... :)

[k-kinnison.livejournal.com]

Holy Klono's carballoy claws! Yes, the K is for Kimball

Clear Ether!

[seawasp]

Just don't do that with my fiction, as lots of stuff in there is NOT supposed to be read literally.

WRT environmental policy, it depends on the exact policy. There are smart, nonrestrictive ones and clumsy, heavily restrictive ones.

I don't expect Obama to be a Great President; I just want him to do sufficient damage to the things Bush put in place so that they are no longer threats. Aside from the torture issue, PATRIOT and its ilk are the most repulsive, but their ancestors are rooted deep (RICO, for instance) and hard to destroy.

[qinshihuangdi.livejournal.com]

Aside from having otherwise completly different politics, it seems like we agree on swapping out presidents so that they damage the country in different ways, and hopefully cancel each other out in the long run.

I didn't exactly think you thought Obama would be the great statesman of the century. Mainly I felt like commenting, and didn't feel like being a jerk over our differences of opinion. Plus I have an odd sense of humor.