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If one had a perfect justice system -- one which would NEVER convict a person who did not commit the crime for which they were accused -- I would favor the death penalty for certain types of crimes.

In the real world, no. Hideous chains of coincidence have happened before, and will happen again, to get people convicted for crimes they did not commit, even if one would think it IMPOSSIBLE given the crimes and evidence. You can at least apologize, and try to make up for the mistake, to someone wrongly convicted who was imprisoned and let out. Apologies and reparations mean nothing to the dead.

In a more practical sense, the way in which the American system executes (ha ha) the death penalty is also a statement against it. If you're actually going to use the death penalty, it has only three practical uses: instructive/aversive (by seeing that people get killed for doing crime X, you prevent some number of people from committing crime X), preventative (a living serial killer, even imprisoned, represents a continuing potential threat; if he escapes or is released, he may -- probably will -- kill again), or financial (someone sentenced to life in prison costs society throughout their lifetime; an execution's costs end with the burial, cremation, and form-filling). I don't count "punitive/vengeance" or "catharsis" as practical uses -- they're emotional components and can be destructive as easily as not.

The way in which the American system has generally used the death penalty does not serve any of those practical functions well; many "death row" inmates spend years waiting, and some may never actually take that walk before natural causes catch up with them; the certainty of execution (needed for the aversive function) is not present. The long period of incarceration, obviously, does little to mitigate either the small potential threat or to provide the resource savings theoretically presented by the death penalty.

So overall, no, I'm not at all in favor of it. You can end up killing innocent people and there are, in practice, no real benefits to be accrued from it, so it is thus a bad idea all around.

Date: 2010-07-16 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sorek.livejournal.com
In the Law & Order universe, it's often used as a club to get people to admit to lesser crimes which give them an alibi for the murder of the week. Alternatively, it's a club to get people to take a plea when they would otherwise gamble on a trial.

It's the "nuclear" option, we don't want to use it but CAN.

I have no idea how well that threat works in reality.

Date: 2010-07-16 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burger-eater.livejournal.com
habitual murderers don't have to escape from prison to commit terrible crimes against people who don't deserve to be murdered. .

Date: 2010-07-16 09:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] claidheamhmor
Agreed, totally. You articulated that well.

Capital Punishment

Date: 2010-07-16 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hvideo.livejournal.com
The financial aspect is AGAINST the death penalty in the US justice system. Due to the lengthy appeals process in capital cases, it is significantly CHEAPER to keep them in prison for life than to execute them.

Of course, in the theoretical perfect justice system one could execute them on the spot, saving all that money - but that's not how it plays out in Real Life (TM).

Overall we're in agreement. I would not weep to see an actual murderer executed, but the possible tragedy of an innocent person being executed far outweighs other considerations. It should be abolished.

Date: 2010-07-17 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrmeval.livejournal.com
Sure I can get behind the death penalty. But only if ten times the number of citizen executed are pulled from government service and sledgehammered to death on TV.

It's a goal.

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